David Baum published a conversation I recently had with him about collapse on the same day that the IPCC came out with its “code red for humanity.“
For people who aren’t versed in the term “collapse,” it’s essentially the idea or belief that climate change is going to collapse civilization as we know it, and probably quite soon.
I met David a couple years ago, after we’d both read a pivotal paper by a UK professor named Jem Bendell, who argues that because of the way academia is siloed, climate scientists are too far down their own rabbit holes to accurately predict what’s coming — and, more importantly, that what’s coming is full-scale, no-more-running-water collapse in the next decade.
Jem’s paper did for me what some people describe after near-death experiences: It woke me up to the notion that I better take this precious life seriously. I’d practiced yoga and Zen meditation for years, but I still devoted much of my free time to activism — fighting the system — rather than to my inner landscape. After reading Jem’s paper, that changed.
I’m honored that David included my story in his podcast, Come Together: Stories of love and collapse.